Speaker 1: 0:00

How did you first hear of Eddie Murphy?

Speaker 1: 0:02

I mean younger than I am, so I obviously found out first from Donkey, because you know, it was like 2001,. I was seven. But then I became such a fan of him, I found out who he was and then I went remember FYE and, like Sam Goody, they just had an Eddie Murphy section. They have, you know, dvds or whatever. And you know from Shrek is Donkey, yeah, and I was like this donkey guy rules, so I'll watch whatever. So I saw Eddie Murphy Delirious, yeah, one of the best specials ever and I grabbed it. My mom just bought it.

Speaker 1: 0:34

And then we were in the car on the way home and I'm like seven and he's like this is the best. And I was like whoa, donkey's crazy. Donkey got some ideas. Wow, so different, take on Donkey. My mom took out the DVD and was like you can't watch this. And then I got so sad and I think we were going through a tough time and she saw how much it made me laugh. So she was like you could watch this, just like, don't tell anyone. He can fly, he can talk. That's right fool. Now I'm a flying talking donkey.

Speaker 4: 1:09

You might have seen a house fly, maybe even a super fly, but I bet you ain't never seen a donkey fly.

Speaker 1: 1:15

We've been waiting for a long time.

Speaker 5: 1:24

Yes, we've been waiting for a long, long time. Good morning, my baby.

Speaker 4: 1:47

Jesus Christ. This is becoming very irritating.

Speaker 5: 1:49

Hey everybody, welcome to the Murphy Monday podcast, the only podcast that celebrates the life and career of Eddie Murphy. I'm your host, nigel A Fullerton, with me today we got the star of the YouTube series Black Love. Everybody, please give a round of applause for Jasmine Adair, so glad to be here. You got excited, I'm excited to have you on here. I've been trying to get you on here for a minute.

Speaker 6: 2:20

Yeah, it's been a while. So the blessing, the blessing is here. I'm excited.

Speaker 5: 2:25

Now we go way back. Now the movie you chose. I'm surprised you chose this movie Only because I know you for theater. I put Dreamgirls on there and you choose Shrek.

Speaker 6: 2:39

Yes, yes, because it's so easy to choose Dreamgirls. Yes, because it's so easy to choose dream girls. You know it was too easy, too easy. I don't want easy, we ain't doing easy.

Speaker 5: 2:52

It is kind of hard because, like for me with Shrek, like I just found this out, I did not know this Shrek came out in 2001. Yeah, I didn't even know it came out. I thought it came out like two years prior. Yeah, yeah, there going to watch it with our mutual friend fudge. So, yeah, I'm like I don't remember this movie coming out that year yeah, it really it's, it's, uh, it's a oldie.

Speaker 6: 3:33

Well, it's an oldie now, not as old as some of these other. You know other pieces, but it it really. I think I chose it this go around with you because it really resonates where I'm at in life right now. So I think that's how we landed here that's interesting.

Speaker 5: 3:49

Why does it resonate with you now?

Speaker 6: 3:52

so the story of shrek is basically he was living a calm life in a swamp. Being who he is, everything was fine. And then these damn crazy ass like oh, oh sorry, these crazy Go ahead, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5: 4:07

It's an.

Speaker 6: 4:07

Eddie.

Speaker 5: 4:07

Murphy podcast you can curse.

Speaker 6: 4:10

OK, ok, these crazy ass fairy tale characters that many of us have grown up on and I remember reading about or watching on TV. They like come crashing into his world because some dude, lord Farquhar, like really like set the town on fire, you know. So, basically, to regain his peace, he had to set out and make things right for them so they could leave him the hell alone. I do that every day. B Like I do this every day, son, like I was like so, when it was like Dreamgirls or Shrek, I was like ooh, was like Dreamgirls or Shrek. I was like ooh, right now You're an ogre and Like I'm Shrek. Right now, like in my life, I'm Shrek you a mean green fighting machine Together.

Speaker 3: 4:54

We're scared to spit out anybody that crosses us.

Speaker 4: 5:02

That was really scary and, if you don't mind me saying, if that don't work, your breath certainly will get the job done, because you definitely need some Tic Tacs or something, because your breath stinks.

Speaker 3: 5:10

Man, you almost burned the hair out of my nose, just like the time.

Speaker 4: 5:15

And then I ate some rotten berries. Man, I had some strong gases eking out of my butt that day.

Speaker 3: 5:19

Listen, little donkey. Take a look at me. What am I?

Speaker 1: 5:26

Uh.

Speaker 3: 5:28

Really tall.

Speaker 2: 5:29

No, I'm an ogre, you know. Grab your torch and pitch forks. Doesn't that bother you?

Speaker 6: 5:38

Nope, I could be out here turning wigs like Effie, but it would have never really hit like this.

Speaker 5: 5:50

This is life. That's funny. That's funny. Now, like I said before, I know you for theater. What made you take the leap from theater to stand up?

Speaker 6: 6:01

I've always been into making people laugh. Okay, I've always been into making people laugh. I've always been into lightening the mood, lightening the room, trying to, you know, bring the frequency to an alkaline level. I've always been that person. So I think it wasn't really hard. It wasn't hard at all Cause I was doing comedy, since, since I understood that a smile was really all you needed. You know, I've been, yeah, I've been doing that for a while. So crossing over from theater, theater is great, but it's like it, it it has so many dimensions. It's like I was always still doing comedy, even in serious plays, like I'll be in some straight August Wilson stuff, still acting like so much and still finding that little moment. Because we need it, we need it.

Speaker 5: 6:53

That's funny because I know I threw you off with that, but I just wanted to know from me, from my own edification. She's like I thought this was an Eddie Murphy podcast. I didn't know he was gonna ask me about me. Uh no, it's fine, I'm loving it what? What was your first introduction to eddie murphy?

Speaker 6: 7:14

okay, so I'm an 80s baby, 90s kid, and my first intro to eddie was trading places. Actually, yeah, that came out, I'm guessing, like when I, when I first was old enough to like really understand what I was seeing on tv, but probably no more than maybe five, six, but that movie came out back in like 83, right, um and uh, I liked the way that the story was told and I liked how he was. The street dude was, uh, billy ray, valentine, you know, he was like the street dude who got caught up in the scheme and how the people who we assumed to be the good dudes wasn't the good dudes and they set them up and how him and dan akroyd had, like what was his name? Uh, lewis had a, you know, set up to make things right, you know, and I love the underdog becoming, you know, the better man in the movie. So I guess that's why that was my first intro. That made me really say, like I love this Eddie Murphy too. This was really good.

Speaker 3: 8:11

No, no, I believe I can hang out with you fellas for a little while. Excellent, I'm Randolph Duke. How you doing, Randy? What's happening? My younger brother Mortimer.

Speaker 4: 8:21

Hey Mortay what it is. Billy Ray Valentine Capricorn.

Speaker 3: 8:27

Randy, that's like Randy Jackson from the Jackson 5, right.

Speaker 4: 8:30

Yes, yes, I suppose, so yeah.

Speaker 5: 8:35

That's funny. How old were you when you saw it? I had to be maybe five or six, and you just understood right away.

Speaker 6: 8:43

Yeah, like watching, like how it was like, uh, it was all about money. You know that movie about money and, of course, trading, trading places, and when I was peeping it and then as I got older, I found other things in the movie. That's another good thing about eddie's movie.

Speaker 6: 8:58

Yes, yes you find dope ass gems like so at five. I didn't fully understand maybe the financial of it. I are these rich dudes just trying to get rich? Y'all already rich, you white, you rich, you won, like you won, right. What is the problem? Why are you trying to set people up?

Speaker 5: 9:17

but the gems that I got as I got older and started watching it I'm like I gotta re-watch everything now I think that's why I started doing this podcast, because, like I actually did an episode where I found out how the dupes lost money, like I had a financial advisor tell me, like sit down and say, hey, man, I need to know how they lost the money cool.

Speaker 6: 9:40

Now you remember the connection with coming to america, right?

Speaker 5: 9:43

right, yeah, but I didn't. I didn't get that until later on in life. Me too, I didn't understand. I think I was in high school when I understood, because I had watched Come to America a lot by that time. But I went back to watching Trading Places. I think I was in high school and I'm like, oh, that's the same dudes from the Trading Places, oh, okay. I didn't know who Randolph and Mortimer were. Like I was just like. I thought these was these two old dudes. Yes.

Speaker 6: 10:11

Homeless. Yes, that gem right there blew my mind and it's like you got to put it together for yourself, you know. So it's like when you do.

Speaker 5: 10:19

It's just kind of like that's how dirty, like this, this because you was acting up in the 80s now I just had this conversation with another stand of a friend of mine and it is like two different thoughts. Like for people who love eddie murphy, there's people who are delirious people and people who are raw people. So are you more delirious person? Are you more a raw person?

Speaker 6: 10:49

that's a great question. I'm a gemini. Some days I'm raw. Uh, I would. I think I would have if I had to choose. Oh, that's a tough one, it's I'm so. It's very. I'm going to go with Raw, okay, but catch me, I don't know, this Friday I might be, I don't know.

Speaker 5: 11:13

I really Because it's like for me when I listen to Eddie Murphy Raw I did an episode on Eddie Murphy Raw and I've also done Delirious and I think about it like for me, delirious resonates with me more than Raw. I think maybe when I was like in high school, I think I saw Raw first before I saw Delirious. I think that's what it is, because I had never seen. I knew that Delirious existed, but I had never seen so like for me. I had watched Raw. I knew that Delirious existed, but I had never seen so like for me. I had watched Raw and I'm like, oh, this is the best thing ever. Like, is this a Ritz? And then I watch Delirious and I'm like, yo, the character work he's doing, the jokes that he's doing this, this, this, yeah, and I was sitting and watched, like, watched this, and I would sit and watch this. I would be in Fudge House watching it with his mother and father sitting upstairs and they preachers and I'm listening to all this cursing.

Speaker 6: 12:16

That's so good.

Speaker 5: 12:20

That's so good. Yeah, so that's why I asked that question, because I'm like, because I need to know where people people are like with their stand up. Like, do they feel like raw is the quintessential thing for them, or is it more delirious?

Speaker 6: 12:33

I think when you use the words like the characters and delirious, you were saying I think I think we got to see a little bit more of that than we did in raw Right, a little like you know. So it's like, yeah, I guess, and I guess that's what makes me torn, because that character work is like it's, it's, it's nothing like it and and it resonates especially with the black community and the like, the family dynamics that we have and the way that we crack on each other, how we imitate each other. You know it's like, I think all that there. So I don't know. Now I'm leaning more towards ever.

Speaker 3: 13:10

Have a heavyset aunt fall down the steps make a whole lot of fucking noise. It's scary too, because they be calling jesus on the way down and aunts don't like to fall straight down the steps. Like a kid they be trying to break the fall and hold it and stop the shit and that just make the fall take a half hour. Then Real loud, you're like Lord Jesus Christ, help my lord, please, jesus, please, jesus God, help my lord, jesus, help me. I'm falling out of steps. Oh Lord Jesus Christ, please my shoe. Oh Lord Jesus Christ, help me. I'm halfway down now. Lord Jesus Christ, lillian, what is all that fucking noise? Lillian, the bitch is falling down the steps again.

Speaker 2: 14:21

Oh, oh.

Speaker 3: 14:24

Oh, lillian, lillian, what's wrong, bunny? I fell down the steps. Oh, bunny fell down the steps. Bunny fell down the steps. Eddie, go get your Aunt Bunny something cool for her head. What happened? Bunny fell down the steps.

Speaker 5: 14:41

Ha, ha ha.

Speaker 6: 14:51

Are you influenced by any of Eddie Murphy murphy's work? Of course, definitely. When I first saw boomerang, boomerang came out I think I was. Of course I was a little bit old, I think. I'm just thinking I was like now the 90s, maybe I was like 10 and to see an all-black cast, main characters all black, the workplace was black, the every, everything was just blackity, black, black, black. And I, it didn't really I didn't peep that at that age.

Speaker 6: 15:13

But then as I started watching it, like how you said, like in high school, and I'm peeping like yo, oh shoot, I noticed the absence of other people in our spaces and I'm like, wow, as a child it meant nothing. But as I've gotten older I started seeing that you know things, things could change like from a living single to a friend, things could change like, like, like we don't have to be in these spaces. You know, it had me thinking like yo, how come you ain't noticed there was no white people in this movie when you was a kid. But now that you're older and you're more out into the world, you're seeing it's like this must've been hard to pull off.

Speaker 6: 15:50

Who pulled this off? And then to have the black man as the love interest and he, he looks out and he looks, he's, he's a chocolate man with black strong features. It's just kind of like whoa, like this could not have been easy to get off the ground and I wondered how did they do it? And I started looking into the director and it was just like this had to have been a. There must have been a little tip to get this off the ground. Yeah there was.

Speaker 5: 16:20

I'll give you some backstory on it. Well, two things. Number one doing my research for like boomer and everything like that, I found that there was backlash for having like, there was critics that said that this is an invisible world where white people don't exist. I never knew that as a kid growing up, I didn't know that that was the other way around it. That was one. It was a whole big thing about that. The other thing is that Eddie Murphy had a deal with Paramount where he could only do a certain amount of movies. But there were certain movies that he wanted to do Belio's Cop 3, there was a movie like Boomerang or like the Distinguished Gentleman or like Vampire in Brooklyn that he was able to do.

Speaker 5: 17:09

but he was contractually obligated to do these sequel movies that didn't really pan out well, but he was able to do those things. So that's why a movie like Boomerang works, and Eddie said that he liked the movie House Party. That's how he got Reginald Hudlin to direct.

Speaker 6: 17:27

Mm-hmm. Nice, see, I, I it's, it's um. I guess it really helps you put things into perspective, especially as entertainers that see him figuring out that deal and a way to make all of that happen, like if we could plug that more, like make that happen more, because it's like those movies they're, they're iconic, even even like carlom knights, like even like it's just these spaces where we put in all those legends first of all together, like that, you know, and then the dialogue that that we get to have. It just feels so natural and I'm like I want it, like if I could create an oasis where we just drop bomb, ass, black shit, like I mean, don't get me wrong, I mean I mean white shit is cool, but white white shit, they, they, you know, they get it, they get it yeah you know what's funny?

Speaker 5: 18:19

like it's it's it's twofold because, like, adam sandler gets to put all his friends in all of his movies, right, so you know how many grown. Like you got two sequels of grown-ups. Like you got all these things, but for some reason, when we put all the black characters together, like a harlem knights, you know that's, that's the, that's the exam, the example. However, you have other movies where we put too many of black comedians in, like soul plane, like the cookout, like I can name. I'm sorry. Like hall of knights is like up there, but then you got the other ones that it's like hey yo, I feel you, I feel you and it's like why?

Speaker 6: 19:10

Because now, when I saw Soul Plane, I was just like, oh, you definitely got to smoke for this. Like it's like like, this is a, this is a certain type of you know, all right.

Speaker 5: 19:27

But I guess let's get back to Shrek Now. We're here to talk about Shrek, you know. Yeah, basically not only Shrek himself, but we're here to talk about Eddie Murphy's character work as Donkey. Yeah, for the most part. Now, shrek is a movie from 2001 where you already described, an ogre is in the forest in the wilderness and all of a sudden, lord Farquhar is sending all these people into his swamp and they're overcrowding his swamp and basically he got to try to get these people out of the swamp. So to do that, he goes to Lord Farquhar. He says hey, well, if you go get that princess for me, then I get these people out your swamp. And Shrek ends up falling in love with the princess and he finds out the law of Farquaad is evil and if you haven't seen this movie already it's 20 years old.

Speaker 5: 20:14

However, I realize I've never seen this movie. I've never, like. I know the beats, I know that there's someone coming, I know what he says I've never seen this movie. Yes, I've realized, and if I did, I probably saw it once.

Speaker 6: 20:34

Okay.

Speaker 5: 20:37

See, it's different for me I don't have kids.

Speaker 6: 20:39

Yeah, the kids help, because it's not like I was busting down the movie theater to watch this back in 2011. I'll be honest.

Speaker 5: 20:46

I knew nothing about it think I I watched Shrek 2 and I had it on DVD but I never really paid attention. Shrek 3 I probably watched.

Speaker 6: 20:57

I probably watched Shrek 4 I don't remember the movie stuff yeah, I don't know the difference between any of them, honestly, anymore. They all mesh my sister.

Speaker 5: 21:06

I called my sister last night and I was like listen, tell me about your childhood, please.

Speaker 6: 21:13

Walk me through this. Yeah, you need a walkthrough. You needed a little tour guide through this.

Speaker 5: 21:19

Like, why was it so important for you guys to have Shrek and, you know, donkey when? As I feel that there was a need for like, if we set the scene for 2001,. Eddie Murphy had only did one other animated movie, which was Mulan, another movie I've never seen.

Speaker 6: 21:35

Yes, yes, mulan's good, mulan's good, it's good yeah.

Speaker 5: 21:43

Alright, okay, I have to watch it. I might actually make an episode of. I've never seen it, but anyway, eddie murphy's never done any, like you know, character work as as an animated figure. I think he had one opportunity beforehand which was and he regrets that he never did it which was who framed roger rabbit really, and that's a regret.

Speaker 6: 22:09

Wow, that was. That was popular back in the day yeah yeah, I was hella popular.

Speaker 5: 22:14

So I mean he regrets not doing it. So the next time that he was asked to do it he jumped to the chance to do it now. Shrek, shrek Shrek comes from a book that was made in 1990. I didn't know this. Originally it was for Bill Murray and Steve Martin.

Speaker 6: 22:33

Get out of here. Yeah, wow, yeah, wait, bill Murray and Steve Martin.

Speaker 5: 22:41

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Steve Martin, yeah, yeah, or a Ghostbusters version of Shrek. Either one, yeah. I don't think they've ever done a movie together.

Speaker 6: 22:51

Not that I recall, no.

Speaker 5: 22:53

Yeah, I don't think they've ever done which would be interesting.

Speaker 6: 22:57

Yeah, but I'm glad it panned out this way because, let's face it, Donkey is Donkey. Like everybody loves Donkey, Like the energy he brings to that piece with the voice and everything, Even when it's like his turn to like do certain things. Like that I believe, I believe. I believe Like that little bit of church break he brought up in that piece I'm like, oh, I'm a believer, come on.

Speaker 3: 23:22

I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe. Hey, y'all see a whippin'.

Speaker 6: 23:29

He's always putting like pieces of us in there you know and I love that stuff.

Speaker 5: 23:34

I think so. I think where we have a movie where there's ogres and dragons, we still get black people, still get represented in the movie. I think we gravitate toward that. Yeah, we there what we're talking about with Donkey. We're also being represented in Donkey, whereas Eddie Murphy now on the surface people will say he's just playing himself, but this is a character that we do like seeing. It's crazy to me that in this time and it just goes to how much work that Eddie Murphy has done, Because if you look at, this movie came out in 2001,. Right, If you look at between 96, 97, 98, 99, 2000, 2001,. There's probably 10 movies and probably a TV show in that time that Eddie Murphy has done.

Speaker 6: 24:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5: 24:29

Like I could think and I think that's where we get to where they say that Eddie Murphy does too many movies for children because he I think what they're saying is that he, he just keeps putting out moves Like he was putting out three movies a year at one point, cause that's why it's a blur. That's why it's a blur for me. Yeah, because 2001, if you look at, shrek was released in may 18. 2001. The next month, dr do a little too, came out, and that was june, june, something june 21st or something like that yeah, I saw that in the theaters with some, with a group of kids yeah, I remember vividly dr do a little too, but I don't remember shrek coming out and I think it was more of a sleeper hit.

Speaker 5: 25:19

I mean I don't think it resonated with people until it went on to vhs dvd. Yeah, I think that's what. I think the power of that that's when you get. Shrek 2 came out two years later. And then Shrek 3, Shrek 4. And you got all these other Shrek things and it was Shrek mania at one point.

Speaker 6: 25:37

Yes, it was, and I think what they did was very wise because kids know Eddie Murphy. You know, like my nieces who are now in their 20s and stuff, they know Eddie Murphy because you said Dr Doolittle had come out, things like that. Our generation, we know Eddie from trading places coming to America. But people know Eddie generationally and everyone's had their piece of it. Now my kids know, like I said, I wasn't up on it in 01. I knew nothing about it, had no whatever. But my kids now know Eddie. That's donkey. They could hear his voice in another room.

Speaker 4: 26:13

It come running out, donkey, like that's just, that's just Eddie baby, you know, when I'm doing those voiceovers for a donkey, it kind of goes like a second blur they go any in it yeah, and I have a headache afterwards and it's all really cause it's really the donkey is on 10 and all of it is, and he'll be singing and doing all that stuff, and so it's like the sessions are like a blur. You know, lots of times I'll hear the movie and I'll be like, wow, I don't even remember saying that and they're like donkey.

Speaker 6: 26:44

They're looking at him like I'm like. This is the man who voiced donkey, you know, but that was very wise on his behalf, because now not only are the grandparents at the function and they know, eddie, the parents are there. Then we're there. We're there with our, you know kids and that longevity, you have the longevity within that yeah, but do you think?

Speaker 5: 27:05

do you think it's because some people you would say is wise, but some other people would give it criticism as saying, hey, he just does kid movies.

Speaker 6: 27:15

He's working. So I believe that, yes, this man working, so whether I wouldn't care if he was doing teen work, kid work, elderly work, I mean one day, if, if, if God blesses him to see many more years, he will be doing different things. And I mean people are going to criticize anyway, especially, like you know, it's Eddie. Eddie Ben had haters. I mean Eddie tell us stories about how, like how the people at his time, when he was coming up, had things to say like oh, you curse too much, or oh, you're too raunchy, or oh you're. The criticism is going to be there some bad advice I got.

Speaker 4: 27:57

I remember the first time I met Rodney Dangerfield. I mean it was the first comedian that I met, that was famous, and I was about 17 and he came and he bumped me. So I was like, mr Dangerfield, after the show, will you watch my set? He was like, yeah, yeah, sure kid, it's Dangerfield stuff. Rodney goes on and he kills.

Speaker 2: 28:13

I know I'm getting old. On Vegas I played a slot machine.

Speaker 4: 28:16

Three prunes came up so I went up after him and I do my stuff and back then I was uh, really dirty, did edgy racial stuff, and this 1980. So it's like this kid on stage doing edgy racial stuff, like the audience would sit there and look. And afterwards I went up to Dangerfield and said what'd you think? And he's like hey, kid, I don't know where you're going to go with that, you know, with the language and the race stuff. Seven years later, like after Saturday Night Live and after the movies he might not even remember this In a bathroom in Caesar's Palace, rodney Dangerfield comes in a urinal right next to me and I look over and he looks at me and says hey, who knew, let that man work If he doing.

Speaker 6: 28:57

I wouldn't care if the rest of his catalog had kiddie work. You're working Right and face it being an actor or comedian. Right now everybody just wants to be what Working.

Speaker 5: 29:09

Exactly.

Speaker 6: 29:10

Oh, the fact that they have something to say about the type of work he's putting out. I'm like, can we just focus on the fact that the work is being out?

Speaker 5: 29:18

Like, yeah, I think people forget. Like I remember being a kid and my grandfather telling me that Eddie Murphy got a filthy mouth, and my grandfather telling me that Eddie Murphy got a filthy mouth. It's always that. So for me, you know, I'm like okay, I'm at this point where, like Eddie Murphy's like my favorite, like that's my idol, and now you know he's doing, he's moving from doing Nightingale Professor into doing Dr Doolittle, or he's moving from coming to America and he's's doing this instead. It's a leap yeah, it is.

Speaker 6: 29:51

I mean I'm like you, like how you said you had fudge house watching it and his parents are, you know, in in the church, in the church, church meeting his house was the church.

Speaker 5: 30:02

That was the church.

Speaker 6: 30:04

That was the church Like, and you're watching Eddie Murphy Delirious or Raw. I watched it in secret too. I had to watch it with the sound down, kind of like a porno Like. I had to like have like the sound up just enough to hear the jokes. Because there is that you know thing where it's like Eddie was known for his mouth and I mean that's what made me fall in love with him, though, like I mean, trading places was cool. But when I found out eddie was out here delivering these messages with such language like growing up, you don't you, I wasn't allowed to be around adults who spoke like that. I didn't grow up like that. So getting to hear and tell it as it is, that's where we kind of got all bopped from like I know how to curse people out so eloquently now, like had it not been for eddie, my mf was wouldn't be hitting the way they be hitting on stage and you know what I think?

Speaker 5: 31:04

I think that's why it works with the movie like Shrek, because Shrek wasn't trying to be like the regular cookie cutter, like cartoon movie.

Speaker 5: 31:15

Oh, no, no, no, not at all Because people forget before this, like these things were not for, like it wasn't for adults, it was more for children, and we said, yeah, we got, yeah, we gotta watch this, we gotta do this, you know, and and that's why this this works, especially getting somebody like eddie murphy to be the deliverer of this- yeah, I think irreverent humor is something that he does well, like that whole, like that grittiness to it, like you know, I mean that's what drew a lot of people to him.

Speaker 6: 31:55

I mean I mean we could say the same, similar to prior, like that mouth, yeah, and that tell it. Like people, some people, that's all they want to see. True, that's why they tuned in. So I guess, seeing him go from that to then doing the fairy tale, I mean, you know it's.

Speaker 5: 32:17

It's funny because when we think about, when we think about eddie, we gotta go back to the beginning. He was 19 years old and he was 19.

Speaker 5: 32:27

He just got out of nassau community college, yeah, he did two weeks at nassau and left ncc all day but you know like and that's the thing like, we remember him as this young, fresh, like guy that couldn't do no wrong and in the 80s he had a hit string of movies and now he's he's going to do family films and we're like hold on, wait a minute. You got to understand. We, we grew up with him. But he's also at a place where he wants his kids to see him. His kids love donkey. He got 11 kids. His kids love donkey. He got 11 kids. His kids love donkey. His kids love when he does these movies for his kids and that brings him a smile. So why are we mad when he chooses to do something else, like a candy cane lane? Yeah, you know what I?

Speaker 6: 33:20

mean A candy cane lane. I'm just saying you know, I feel you, you know what it is too. You better not grow outside of the box where people meet you, because then they're going to have something to say. You know that often happens. Other people could do it, but we can't. Yeah, not with ease, not with grace, right, not with understanding. Like you could see one person go from one thing to another, but if they ain't got the complexion for the protection it's going to be talked about, and how dare you See?

Speaker 5: 33:50

you saying what I know like. I normally bring up this argument all the time on the podcast, but you, you echo what I'm saying when I, when I say like a Bill Murray and I say like a Steve Martin, like they're allowed to fail, they're allowed to give you these bad movies. Like they're allowed to fail, they're allowed to give you these bad movies, eddie Murphy, when it comes to him, they're like oh well, he just does these bad movies every year and I was just too much like me. But I'm like you could say the same about Adam Sandler, but you're not giving him the same, the same Like. You're not. You don't give Eddie Murphy the same respect that you give these other people.

Speaker 5: 34:26

Like, when you hear Bill Murray, you hear Steve Like, even your face lit up when I said Steve Martin and Bill Murray. But when they go, oh yeah, eddie Murphy, I liked him back in the 80s when he did this and he did that. But, come on, most of the movies you do like are from the 80s. Yeah, there's not a lot Like. If we really break down movies, we really break down culture. Most of the movies that we like are from the 80s and 90s. None of the movies that come out currently are the movies that we love true true, I feel the same way that is

Speaker 5: 34:59

true, it's, it's just, it just, and it just doesn't resonate, whether it be whether it be us and it not resonating with us, whether us be our age, whatever it is. You know what I'm saying Because, like I said, these kids are coming up and these are the movies that they have to hang their hats on. So, for them, it's a movie like Shrek, it's a movie like Sharkboy and Lavagirl or, like you know, that's their thing, because that's the movie for them. For us, it was probably the goonies or it was probably like something else. Yeah, that that resonated with us. So, like you know, for for a movie like shrek I believe this is, this is a classic for a lot of people. Now I'm probably gonna have to do more shrek episodes. I'm probably just going to do one other one. I really don't want to do. I really don't want to keep. Yeah, because in the morning I'm making waffles. I'm making waffles. Before I let you go, I got to ask you one question. Sure, what are your top five Eddie Murphy movies?

Speaker 6: 36:05

Okay, I don't know if I have these in order it's okay, we don't, we don't rank, we don't rank. Okay, let me see, I actually actually like kind of have like a little bit, all right, cool, I will go with, of course, boomerang, okay, and I like I already stated why you know the black oasis and tisha campbell with that. My height, my size, my weight, doggy style like that, that line right there uh, I wanted you from the boomerang episode.

Speaker 5: 36:34

You know that, right I?

Speaker 6: 36:35

remember we were supposed to do this a while ago. So bad, because there's so many things to touch on there, but I would still love to have that conversation with you, whether it's on a podcast or not. I I just love chopping it up about these type of things all right, we, we could do this.

Speaker 5: 36:49

Okay. After you do your top five, we'll go into that.

Speaker 6: 36:53

Uh, okay of course, coming to america, for obvious reasons, the, the culture of it all. Okay, what's another good one? Harlem nights, and I'm not. I'm gonna throw this out there because I saw this in a movie theater when I just needed to get away for a while. Tower Heist, that was cute. You like Tower Heist? It was cute for what it was, you know what. Bring me back to my daddy issues, because the man who was in there played in MASH right.

Speaker 5: 37:19

Oh, okay, okay.

Speaker 6: 37:21

So, yeah, that was a daddy issue thing and what's another good one. I guess I would go. I didn't not like you people. You people was just like a cute watch, but I'm a lauren london girl, okay, so I think it was more of a that thing. And, uh, the history of lauren london, you know. So that that's why I really was like tuning in things like that.

Speaker 5: 37:41

But I would say that's my top five there so we, we got you people, tower Heist, harlem Nights, boomerang, and what was the other one?

Speaker 6: 37:51

What is it? It's Coming to America Boomerang, harlem Nights, and then you people and Tower Heist. I threw in there. I found them to be cute, something cute to watch, but, like I said, I really resonate with the 80s, but I already mentioned trading places. So you pick you people over life. I love life, but that conversation would have took me left with a whole bunch of incarceration stuff, so I tried to stay away because you know I get really into my pro-Blackness.

Speaker 6: 38:20

And I was like you're not going to fill up his pocket. It's okay. Okay, yes, I did enjoy life. And's okay? Okay, yes, I did enjoy life. And, of course, martin and Eddie. Let's face it, that's beauty right there, but the cinematography of it, like how the characters would disappear, and when, what's the gentleman who couldn't go home and he basically sacrificed himself. I'm talking about biscuit. Yeah, Is that him with the with the head?

Speaker 5: 38:53

Miguel.

Speaker 6: 38:53

Nunez Miguel, that's who I was trying to remember. Um, it touched on so many different pieces and and it still had the comedy in there, but it was. It was a tough watch for me because of what I've read and it's like the hardest thing to be out here is black and aware, Okay, so it was really a lot and so I didn't want to really go into it. So I was like, listen, you're going to keep it light. Just, you know, keep it light.

Speaker 5: 39:21

I'd rather you be your authentic self.

Speaker 6: 39:24

Okay, well, life is definitely in there and I'm glad he made that piece because people had questions after that. You know it forced certain conversations around the table, especially at like barbecues and family get-togethers. That year that it came out and I'm glad my family sat down to have these talks, so I hope it's the same for other families, all right let's get into some Boomerang talk.

Speaker 5: 39:51

Yeah, man, so I've been. I tried to get you on. I did two episodes of Boomerang already because the first one was okay, but I feel like we didn't get everything. The second one I did was better, but I feel like there's so much stuff to unpack. You just told me about the things with Tisha Campbell being like your favorite, one of your favorite characters in the movie. Walk us through that.

Speaker 6: 40:23

So I guess you know, you know Marcus, he had given her the goods and I guess you know, marcus, he had given her the goods and I guess on some night he had given her the goods and now, being that she's still a neighbor, anything that crossed her way she was going to sabotage and let these women know, like yo, this is not what you want out here, this ain't what you want. She still would have gave him a second piece, I think, because she wanted him that bad. But she understood he's a dog and I heard she got that line from duane martin, like when she was trying to stand out, when it was time to go out for that character, that duane martin gave her that line. What is she about? My height, my size, my weight, joggy style, joggy style. That was such a part of the movie that I feel her, I really understood her over that fence.

Speaker 5: 41:13

She did want Marcus, because remember toward the end, when he was looking sad and she's like you want to come over and have some coffee and he's like not even if Jesus was pouring.

Speaker 6: 41:24

Pouring it yep. So she still would have gave him some, but at least then she knew he was a dog. I think the first time she didn't know he was a dog. You know everything, down to how the men love feet, even with the Lila Rashawn with the feet. Y'all know. Y'all brothers, really be on them feet, y'all be on them feet.

Speaker 5: 41:44

I think so. The thing is think that nobody was on to the feet until this movie like exposed it. I think that this movie made so the conversation I I've had with my you know, my single male friends. I I am retired from that, but my single male friends like to resonate with marcus because he showed, he birthed a lot of Marcus's after that movie. Because, yeah, because, especially when it came to to the feet, marcus was actually the first quote, unquote, high profile male, as they like to say on these internet streets nowadays. Yeah, and it's, it's.

Speaker 5: 42:29

It's great to see the dynamic between you have marcus, you have somebody like martin lawrence's character and you have somebody like david allen greer's character, which shows you the duality between all. So it's not just like one man, it's multiple men and then you see them change and evolve throughout the story, especially with the women as well. It's not just this one archetype woman, there's multiple layers of different and that's why this movie is just so dope, because it's like we've never had this before. Yeah, like, if you really look at, like if you look, and I say I say this all the time we don't have a lot of romantic comedies. No, there's, no, this was, this is our when Harry met Sally. This is our yes.

Speaker 6: 43:17

Yeah.

Speaker 5: 43:18

That's a great way of putting that. This is like because before that, like we've known and you know, know we could talk about movies all day like you, like we both like are, are film students like. So we like, we know that there it there wasn't. Like if you look at the 70s, the 80s and the 90s, they never gave us a romantic black comedy. We're only known for two things drama and comedy. They only wanted us on action by that point too, but they only wanted us for what they wanted us for, whether it be a shaft, whether it be a glory or a color purple or anything else. That's only what they wanted us for.

Speaker 6: 44:04

But yeah, you're right, we didn't have that, we didn't have that, we didn't have that. Like I know, I wouldn't have known where to find that before Boomerang.

Speaker 5: 44:13

Yeah, I think. I think the closest thing to it and it's so sad that this movie beat it to the punch. Strictly business yes, weekly business yeah I'm so mad that it beat that. It beat it to the punch yeah, yeah, yo.

Speaker 6: 44:33

That's crazy. I have to re-watch that too, now that I'm like grown there's another one I need to re-watch.

Speaker 5: 44:39

Yeah, I've re-watched it a couple times I gotta check it out.

Speaker 6: 44:44

That's a good one. Well, I'm glad, I'm like said, I'm glad it beat it to the punch, because we want that to be like, you know, like. But another thing I was thinking about was, even when it came down to the dynamics of his brotherhood with Martin and like how you said, like they all grew within that space and that time and Boomerang actually isn't one of those films that was like for a few months. It was like they showed it over time, right, how things ended up turning out. And to think the whole time holly berry had been there, she had right, she was, she was never, she was right under his nose the entire time. But he had such a nature about him. You know, women like her were like. You know, I guess that's the easy, that's the easy hunt, the easy hunt, he like, he likes the real hunt it's just funny that she's the meek and mild person.

Speaker 6: 45:38

Yeah, yeah, and I mean even to touch on how he had to give up the goods to earth, the kit, like you had to bust open, catwoman. He had to. He had to bust it open and everyone knew. Everyone knew. That ain't what you want out here.

Speaker 5: 46:00

You know what's funny? Like? I listened to an interview that she had where she didn't want to do that scene. She didn't want to do the movie because she didn't like the way that it portrayed older women, until she did it with the grace and elegance that only Eartha Kitt would do, because before that it was just like oh, we need to turn the lights off a little dimmer. It was a lot of jokes like that Eartha Kitt plays the lights off a little bit, a little dimmer. You know, it was a lot of jokes like that.

Speaker 2: 46:29

Eartha Kitt plays the owner of the cosmetics firm that promotes Stranger perfume. Eddie Murphy tries to climb the corporate ladder by bedding her. Kitt turned down the role three times because of a bedroom scene in which she was to remove false teeth, a laugh she felt was offensive. It's just because you are 60, some odd years old now, does not mean that you have fallen apart, and for other women who have become my age, I also feel that if I had done that, it would be an insult to them as well. She reconsidered the role and, although her scenes are too steamy for the MPAA ratings board to release for this story, she hopes she will change the image of the elderly.

Speaker 2: 47:06

Maybe they will see that, even though I'm 67 years old, I don't have thoughts to use.

Speaker 5: 47:14

You know, they convinced her to do it and they did. And she did it with such grace and elegance that, like yo, she is an icon to a new generation, that people that did not know her prior to this.

Speaker 6: 47:26

Same thing with grace jones um, first of all, whoever was on costume and whoever was on like, who picked these locations, like the way that we got to show ourselves like they were. I remember the movie coming out and there were people like but why, grace jones, like she, she's ugly, she's this, she's that. And I'm like, what scale of beauty? And that's another thing that woke me up as a young Black woman. Like their scale of beauty and our scale of beauty, not the same scale Like to me, grace Jones, it's Grace Jones, like that skin, that voice, that deliverance that she commands. And you guys see that and you don't see. How can you not see? And that's when I started learning, like, okay, so if she's ugly to y'all, then what the rest of us look like to y'all. So now, when I'm in school, somebody called me ugly, I'm, I'm, I'm hitting it straight for your fat black mama, I'm going in on your granny, I'm going in. I know that ain't your real daddy like, like, because it's just like I don't, you know what it's.

Speaker 5: 48:40

it's weird the way people criticize like and and I don't know if it's a racial thing, I don't know. I think it's just a thing in people's heads because, if you think about it, the champion of darker skin models are mostly white people, european people. I would say that Because you look at like an Alex whack or you look at somebody else, it's like oh, you have such good skin, it's so smooth, it's this. It the way about the light bounces off, the way the light bounces off of it.

Speaker 6: 49:06

Bounces off of it.

Speaker 5: 49:07

Yeah, radiates it radiates, you know so like. It's more like a quote unquote fetish to me, but they hold it in high regards, like people of our culture are quick to say oh, she too, black, she, this, she, that, you need a lighter skin girl.

Speaker 5: 49:26

Yeah, you know you need a lighter skin girl. Yeah, you know, and it's, it's the chicken and egg. Because it's like you know, we're either we're conditioned to to doing this or it's just us wanting to, you know, be that way, yeah, yeah, that opens up a whole nother book, you know.

Speaker 6: 49:44

But uh, that movie, that movie, just it's nothing, it's nothing like it. And I got to meet layla rashawn. I was with her in december oh yeah, you, you famous.

Speaker 5: 49:53

I forgot. Yeah, you know you were famous. You hanging out with sunshine, you hanging out with with maxine shaw. Like you, you, you got the listen you went to the wedding of the woman that is in the Marvel universe. Yes, yes, like if that Nicole Brown, she is in the Marvel universe.

Speaker 2: 50:14

Yes, she is, she's not a superhero, but she's actually.

Speaker 5: 50:17

She's in these movies, yes, like she's that one, like you know, like when there's like after she did Community. She's like everybody, every person, of all shapes, sizes, creeds, colors, loves Yvette Nicole Brown. I've seen her more on game shows, like old people.

Speaker 6: 50:38

Yeah, she's good at those. Yeah, those game shows.

Speaker 5: 50:41

Old people know who Yvette Nicole Brown is, like my mama knows who she is now.

Speaker 6: 50:53

Aww, hey, mama, mama, yeah, and the friends that she keeps close.

Speaker 6: 50:59

It's like there's some powerful women, yeah, you know, like you know, and men, and it's just like I felt like you could feel that energy there, because even as the women are getting older, you know, and men and men, and it's just like I felt like you could feel that energy there because, even, um, as the women are getting older, people want to keep them in the box that you remember them like she doesn't look like how she used to look in this and now she looks like this and I'm like, well, pardon her for not being a vampire like why, why do you like the judgment?

Speaker 6: 51:22

Then, when you see them face to face, they're being loved on and they're being like, you know, they're being held in high regard. So I guess, really, it's just like honestly, it's really on the social media, I guess platforms where people try to really bring down anyone that they can, because that's the whole agenda. But when I was with her, like just the brief conversation was just so, it was so dope, so amazing, and her feet look great and and I'm like yo, I don't see what the problem is these toes look immaculate.

Speaker 5: 51:53

It was the character she was playing, it's just a character.

Speaker 6: 51:57

You know I be taking stuff serious. I be like don't, that's 30 years ago.

Speaker 5: 52:04

You talking about past stuff.

Speaker 6: 52:06

I'm telling somebody I try to get a little picture, try to get a little. You talking about past stuff, oh, my baby. I'm telling somebody I'm trying to get a little picture, trying to get a little, in case I run into Marcus, I could be like yo, marcus. But yeah, genuinely, genuinely a beautiful person Alita, rashad and Yvette as well, yvette as well.

Speaker 5: 52:25

Yeah, oh man, what are some other things you wanted to talk about with Boomerang?

Speaker 6: 52:31

Let me see what else. With Boomerang, we talked about Lady Eloise and him having to do that. Oh okay, this gentleman has passed on. I can't remember his name. He's an icon as well, the one who did the commercial for Grace Jones.

Speaker 5: 52:46

Kiss, kiss, kiss, Kiss me once kiss me twice. Oh yeah, ooh, la la.

Speaker 6: 52:54

That character, yes, oh yeah, I think he was well-known for theater as well.

Speaker 5: 52:59

Yes, he was well-known. I forget what his name is, but he's in the movie. It's in my mind right now. He's in the movie Annie as Punjab. Yeah, I can't let me look up this guy's name because it's going to bother me legendary, the legendary because I was about to call him what's his name, tally?

Speaker 6: 53:20

oh, I'm so sorry oh man, but even his work in the movie, like you know, he wasn't, he was still, he wasn't main character, main character. But I wanted to hear all the stories of each of these characters separately Jeffrey, holder, jeffrey. Holder yeah, yes, so good, so good.

Speaker 6: 53:46

He played the heck out of that yes magnificent, magnificent, oh my god, like just that that character alone was was really good I could have. I could have sat and watched each character's story unfold separately, and I think that's what makes great cinema when you want to know each of these people personally, yes, you can do that, of course, with jacqueline grace, jones, jeffrey holder who else did I want to mention? There was somebody else I wanted to say, I wanted to be sure to mention. It slips my mind now, but how he had the oh, the parents of parents of Gerard, gerard's parents.

Speaker 5: 54:27

Oh, you're talking about Pops and BB. Yeah, and her snapping that gum.

Speaker 6: 54:33

It's just pieces of us that people wouldn't be able to pull that out of characters, because that's in us, it's in the culture you know. So things like that that really like feel like home to us. Other people, they don't have culture like that.

Speaker 5: 54:50

You know what I mean, I think. So I won't say that they don't have culture, because, trust me, I say this all the time but I won't say that they don't have culture. Their culture is just not our culture. What we hold dear and near and dear to us is not what they hold near and dear to them, so it could seem like they don't have culture. So I don't want to say that y'all don't got no culture.

Speaker 6: 55:17

No, I don't want to say they don't have culture, everyone has culture, but I feel like certain people they culture, vulture pieces to make their culture. Let me take that back. Yeah, everyone has culture. But what I meant to say was that when you don't know your originator, right, you know and you're just known for like, kill and destroy, it's just kind of like so okay, who are you? Who are you if you're not taking a piece of this, a piece of that, and then what sort of gentrify it into something that you know? Like that, like I don't think, like when, like I was trying to like mention, like with the popping of the gum and with the, the mannerisms and things like that, we are very expressive people right and people see that and they like the way they feel when they're in front of it and they like the way it.

Speaker 6: 56:11

You know, they like even the way it looks when they cosplay it. They like the way it looks and feels right. But let's face it like you're. You're taking pieces of everyone and you want to then say this is me.

Speaker 6: 56:24

I would have rather met the real you like in all honesty, you could have just shown up as you and I would have been cool with that. But no, you're showing up like me or like, or like him or her, and it's just kind of like, why are you robbing us of the real experience of who you are right, when that would have been just fine amongst everyone? So so I guess that's what I mean to say. Like you don't. If you got to do all of that, where is your culture and why have you robbed me of showing it to me? Show me, and not just the stuff we've seen, but no, show me the real. I want to see the real. When you meet your friends, you don't want to see their mask, you want to see who they really are, you know.

Speaker 5: 57:13

So I guess that's what I was trying to say because the the internets will drag you if you say somebody ain't got no, oh yeah, that's why I was, that's why I was trying to clean it up for you yeah, yeah, my great grandfather was a viking back in the yeah because I, because, listen, I'm just saying because I, I listen, I'll be quick.

Speaker 5: 57:29

I'll be the first one to say, hey, man, they don't have no culture, but it's mostly because they don't. What we hold near and dear is not what they hold near and dear, it's kind of like. It's kind of like with politics. Like for black folk, we don't care about your politics, we care if you're a good person for them. They want to make sure politics, like it's in their mind, so like we can't have that argument. If you're fighting from this perspective, and I'm fighting from this perspective, you're not going to understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 5: 57:57

True, true yeah like I said, boomerang is a cultural like thing for us, like it is something that means a lot.

Speaker 5: 58:12

I just had this conversation with this man and he wrote a book for Eddie Murphy and he wrote all about the movie. He was amazed by Boomerang. He was like I've never seen this movie before and he was like I was amazed by this world and this movie and how it was just like something different. You know, because, again, we're known for especially at that time we're known for action, we're known for drama and we're known for comedies, but not when it's something that had and this is the first time Eddie Murphy's ever been a romantic lead, yeah, yeah, when it's something that had, and this is the first time eddie murphy's ever been a romantic lead, yeah, yeah, you know it's, it's. It's crazy to think that and and I think I also had I had this conversation with monroe martin one time where I was like we was talking about eddie in his boomerang era because if you looked at distinguished gentleman, if you look at boomerang, he got the same kind of haircut.

Speaker 6: 59:08

So the haircut with the slickness, with the slickness.

Speaker 5: 59:11

Yeah, yeah, you know like this he was in his bag with that one yo, but there's so much that, like people forget and don't see, and like they, they, like he, he makes mentions of evany, of centerfolds and jet magazine and you know, like this, this movie is just black enterprise and just black excellence. It's, it's, it's probably one of our best works shown on on camera. I think it's up there with the spike lee movies, up there with like a lot of things, and I think that boomerang was just so important. And I think the only reason Eddie Murphy did what he did and another thing and I'm going to tell you is because he knew that this whole black, uh, renaissance was happening. That's what made him direct Harlem nights.

Speaker 5: 1:00:04

But what made him do this is because he's never the critic. His criticism and his biggest critic was spike lee at the time but the main criticism is that he doesn't employ or empower other black people. Yeah, okay, right, but but the funny to that is, if you look at the 80s, right, there's only a handful of movies that had all black cast. Yeah, there's only, and most of them were Spike Lee movies.

Speaker 6: 1:00:36

Yeah, do you know, Because that's Spike yeah.

Speaker 5: 1:00:39

Right, but two of them were Eddie Murphy movies.

Speaker 6: 1:00:46

So that would be. So wait, you said the 80s, mm-hmm. So then that would be Spike Lee we're talking about. Do the Right.

Speaker 5: 1:00:54

Thing we're talking about. Spike Lee did Do the Right Thing. Do the Right Thing. School Days she's Gotta have it Right, those are his three movies. So those are his three movies that he had. The other movies are A Soldier's Story, color Purple, hollywood Shuffle I'm Gonna Get you Sucker Coming to America and Harlem Nights. Those are the only movies that are all black cast. You can't name any others that had an all black cast.

Speaker 6: 1:01:29

Wow See, unless they were TV movies.

Speaker 5: 1:01:33

the TV movies are different, like you know. That's a whole nother yeah.

Speaker 6: 1:01:38

That's a whole nother realm. Yeah, wow See, I'm learning. I feel like I should have been writing all of this down. I think this is school. This is school. You schooling me, you schooling me.

Speaker 5: 1:01:48

This is school and that's all off the top of my head. I didn't do research, I'm just telling you like, yeah, yeah, off the record, yeah, yeah, from my mind, that's it. We don't have that many. And then, if you look at the landscape of every year that out, we don't get that many big budget motion picture movies that have all black cast. We don't.

Speaker 6: 1:02:14

Yeah, we're allowed about two to three if, yeah, if we do get that, do you think we'll ever see another boomerang or a boomerang-esque type of a piece?

Speaker 5: 1:02:21

you know it's hard. It's hard and the only reason I say that is because the world is bigger than what it once was. So for a movie like boomerang it's not going to be as special because that exists already. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 5: 1:02:39

So like it's like the same problem with coming to america, like you can't have a out-of-water story because we have the internet yeah, you know so for for a movie like boomerang to actually work, you have to put that whole world in a different space, like it has to be another fish out of water story someplace that we normally aren't, a space that we normally aren't in to to get people to, because it's not going to be unique, it's not going to be, it's just going to be another movie. I was like, oh, this is just like such and such movie that I seen last week, like oh. I've seen this on Tubi.

Speaker 6: 1:03:18

Yeah, yeah. I think, I'm constantly chasing that feeling, even while filming Black Love. I think I'm constantly chasing that feeling of that feeling that you get when you see a boomerang. You know right, or like a or a piece where it's just about our, it's not about anything, but just uh, it doesn't have anything to do with drug, paraphernalia, murder, the judicial system right things like that. I think I just want to see us in healthy spaces and when I write.

Speaker 5: 1:03:49

I guess I'm always trying to write. There's definitely a formula there's definitely a way to do it. It just has to be unique to the experience and something that isn't really, that's underutilized, so like. If we look at, let's say, we haven't seen a family being represented like an older family being represented like, like it should be like. For instance, like the other day I watched gordon ramsey do one of his you know makeover restaurant shows and it was this old black woman.

Speaker 5: 1:04:23

She's 101 years old. She made this place in 1964. It was something that it was, but she's 101 years old, still walking around, still getting around Her son, larry, who's 75. Larry, a chirp. Larry fall asleep in the restaurant. Larry left a catfish outside too long and said, oh, it's still good. I gotta send you the episode because it tickled my soul.

Speaker 5: 1:04:57

But it's the authenticness of something like that that needs to be put back into movies. Everything this man do he said my name, larry. I'm saying, if I yo, I'm like what? Like everything Larry did was hilarious, but you also got the sweet warming. This old lady. That's like it's amazing to be 101 years old. And she's in there saying, oh, you put too much sugar in the greens, the greens shouldn't be sweet. Like it's the authenticity that we miss and that we resonate with and that's what makes, oh, she reminds me of my grandmother, oh, she, she's this, oh, oh, larry, mommy and my uncle.

Speaker 5: 1:05:41

Like when you hit those notes and you hit those things and you like, ok, I can rock with this. Hit those notes and you hit those things and you like, okay, I can rock with this. It's stuff like that that makes you resonate with it and I think that's what's missing, like the soul of movies and TV. We don't have that. We don't have that. We need something to resonate.

Speaker 5: 1:06:03

We're quick, chasing what works for other people. We're quick chasing oh, we need to go get the drug dealers, we need to go get this, we need to have somebody needs to be gay or somebody needs to have AIDS. I'm talking to you, Tyler Perry. We need to have something that is more meaningful to us and that and it's the same thing with standup Like you have to get people to be entertained, you have to touch on something that resonates with them and once you got, yes, you hold on to them and you don't let them go, and you have your highs, your lows, your peaks, your valleys. But that's what you need to have. If this is a story, if this is a ride, you need to take on that ride.

Speaker 6: 1:06:51

Yes. I agree, that's the way to put it. That's the perfect way to put it. That's the only way that it would take flight. A piece like that would take flight. That's true, because I love watching people in their natural state, like how you said, that catfish stuff, like. Because I love watching people in their natural state, like how you said, like that catfish Stuff, like that I love seeing people and all kinds of people in their natural you know, in their natural setting. Yes, it's a beautiful thing to watch.

Speaker 5: 1:07:16

Man. I've seen that man, larry. Once he had a one-on-one going around, gordon broke Like he did the broke like that. I was like what is this bitch doing, Larry? What's going on? Why you got all this hand movement? I don't want nobody to know. It's my pride, Gordon. It's my pride.

Speaker 6: 1:07:39

Larry going to get to a check. Larry making sure he going to get to a check you got to watch that man. That show had me, I'm watching that while I'm off work this week. I'm watching that. Oh man, my neighbor's 101. Oh, wow, and.

Speaker 6: 1:07:52

I love sitting to speak with her. Yeah, I love like just her spin on life and everything. It's like it's such an amazing thing to see because she's lived it Right, you know. So her perspective it's always like ain't no worries, it ain't no problem, I'll be like yo, this is what's happening. I'm going crazy. She's like sit down, sit down. Turn up the family feud.

Speaker 5: 1:08:16

Turn up, steve, I want to watch you. They love Steve Harvey man. When this 101-year-old lady said, oh, that's Ramsey Yo, give me a hug baby. They said that's the Ramsey from the TV show.

Speaker 6: 1:08:32

The.

Speaker 5: 1:08:33

TV.

Speaker 6: 1:08:33

I was like, oh, black people love love TV people. They do, they do, and I love seeing them light up like that, because at that age you could be bitter, you know. You could be like, okay, you know, but they still holding on. Honestly, it's a beautiful thing to see.

Speaker 5: 1:08:53

I gotta go. Love you much, nigel, love you too, man, thank you for doing this, thank you.

Speaker 6: 1:09:01

Thank you, and I'll be seeing you soon.

Speaker 5: 1:09:03

We gotta do a podcast together. If you need to do a podcast, I will produce it for you. Whatever we got to do a podcast together, if you need to do a pod, I will produce it for you. Whatever you need to do, I will help you with it. Get it off the ground, I'll show you all the stuff.

Speaker 6: 1:09:15

I've never had it and I would love to do that. So let's chat that up, you would be amazing.

Speaker 5: 1:09:18

You would be amazing on more podcasts. You need it, oh man. It will help build your brand and help build what you got going. I think where your bread and butter is is the podcast space and you'll be able to say whatever you need to say.

Speaker 2: 1:09:33

You know what I'm saying, so I think let's do that.

Speaker 5: 1:09:35

All right. Where can the people find you?

Speaker 6: 1:09:39

Well, I'm on Instagram jazz underscore a dare, that's J A Z underscore a D a-D-A-I-R, and that's on Instagram and the same on Facebook.

Speaker 5: 1:09:52

So All right and also check out Black Love that's streaming on YouTube right now, and go type in B-L-A-C-K-L-U-V.

Speaker 6: 1:10:05

B-L-A-K-L-U-V.

Speaker 5: 1:10:07

Okay, that's it. I put a C in there. I'm sorry, it's okay, you said it, that's what it is the black version of saying that. That's how you say it. Yes, and with that, ladies and gentlemen, this show is over.